Yes I am in favour of the tesco store. I am fed up with having to go out of town for my shopping the only shop I use is Iceland. Waitrose far too expensive and co op expensive and no choice. I have to travel to Clevedon or Cribbs to do my shopping takes me around 3 hours round trip. I can finish work and pop into tesco express on my way home and job done. I am sorry for all those who dont want it but for me it will be a life saver until Sainsburys comes
Like Stokes Croft, it the noisy few who don't want them, not the majority. I driven by that shop and its doing good business.
As for 3000 saying they don't want it, the other 18000 in town do or do not care, so nearly 85% for it or not against it
Not sure how you define roughshod, its a delapitated pub, not a demolition of a cluster of homes. Get real.
And by taking away the community pub Tesco will benefit the community I don't think so, there were a few offers to open it up as a pub again but as usual Enterprised declined and let Tesco have it there was also an offer to change it into a youth club also declined all I can say this is not being done for the community it is a sneaky way for Tesco to get into Portishead
I think the question is slightly wrong. It should read does the town NEED a Tesco at West Hill or does it Need a local pub for people to socialise in. Anybody who says they have to go out of town to shop is talking absolute
rubbish adn I feel sorry for their distorted thought process. There are more supermarkets here now than were here when I moved into the town just over six years ago. Tesco are no cheaper than any other supermarket, do not offer better quality, just brighter packaging. It amazes me how so many gullible people still choose to do their shopping based on the multi million pound hype driven advertising campaigns run by big companies. If people can't live without a Tesco and if it matters that much to them might I suggest they move to Clevedon or perhaps next door to a Tesco. I lived near to one once and they promised never to open later than eight at night but within a year they were given permission for 24 hour opening and deliveries. These companies only survive because people are gullible and some think shopping at Tesco is a status thing, it really is no different to other supermarkets except in the bullying department.
Towns need communal social venues to strengthen their communities, opening dozens of supermarkets does not provide such communal binding. But we now live in a selfish age where more and more people only think of themselves as a lot of the writers on here have proven. How on earth have you poor hungry people managed to survive at all without a precious Tesco on your doorstep?
I totally disagree with above WE DO need another supermarket a supermarket that offers us what we want Waitrose and Co Op clearly don't.
i am not talking rubbish when I say I go out of town. Portishead doesnt offer shoppers what they want clearly. As I said previously apart from Iceland I do no other food shopping in Portishead. Lets give you a breakdown.
Budgeons - High Street- Far too pricey ! I cannot afford their prices. Parking is terrible I cannot carry my weekly shop up the hill to where the car may or not be parked.
Waitrose - again beyond my budget and not enough choice.
Co Op - not enough choice and hardly any parking.
If says something when my neighbour works in Co op yet she too drives out of town for shopping.
As for the comment of moving to Clevedon. Perhaps you would like to move to Clevedon Hillcran ? My husbands family (ancestors) have lived in Portishead for over 200 years we aint moving just cause we havent got a decent foodshop in our area. It is time that Portishead had decent food shops like any other town.
There was no community pub it had been closed for over 2 years, so nothing has been taken away. Nobody has been knocking down tEnterprise inn's doors to re-open it so it's been let for another use.
I and everybody I know welcomes Tesco Express coming to Portishead as it will increase choice. As for Costcutter if the 3000 people who are so vehemently opposed to Tesco shop their instead then they will thrive and flourish.
There had been a community pub for the past 100 years at the site. Just because Enterprise Inns were greedy and forced the Oak, The Poacher and the White Lion to close does not mean the demand for a pub is not there. What is missing is Enterprise Inns commitment to the community. The Poacher is now successful, The White Lion will no doubt be successful again when it reopens soon and it is wrong that the vast numbers who live up here no longer have a community pub. We supported that pub but Enterprise Inns did not. And for the misinformed commentors who say nobody has been knocking at the door of Enterprise to demand it reopens then get some facts first. Several attempts have been made to Enterprise Inns and they have turned them all down with no real reason.
For those of you who make the absurd claims that you have to go out of the town to shop all I can say is what world are you living in? And like the other writer said, if you travel out of town to work every day, is it too much hardship to stop at your favourite Tesco when passing or does the challenge of parking on a blind corner on a busy road have more appeal than a Tesco with a large carpark and more on offer than an Express shop which doesn't? . My family have always lived in the town and these days there is so much choice that anybody who feels they are not catered for must have very strange dietary needs or have totally lost the plot.
I cannot stop and get my shopping either on the way to work after work or my lunchtime as i have a disabled son who i have to take to nursery and a childminders each day so I dont have the facility to be able to just stop and get shopping whilst i am commuting. Therefore my shopping needs to be got at night when my husband is home or weekends. As I said earlier the shops do not cater for me and also no doubt dont cater for alot of other people too. My friend who lives in Portishead next to Waitrose even ventures to Sainsburys Ashton I think you will find that there are thousands in Portishead like myself who venture out of the area for food shopping. Maybe we should do a poll that might put all your assumptions to the test.
Then all I can say is that you have serious problems . Anybody who says there is no choice in Portishead is absolutely barmy. name a food product that is not available in the town. i think that there are too many inverted snobs around now when it comes to shopping who live in a fantasy world where they actually believe that one shop sells a better quality product than another. Most of them source all their products from the same suppliers and just have their own labels put on them. And if your mil has lived here all her life what did she do before the Cribbs Asda 9Carrefour at the time) was built. If we all managed to survive in this town prior to large supermarket chains taking over then I'm pretty certain we could still do so. But that would involve having to lose the airs and graces about where we shop. I rarely shop for food outside the town unless I'm already out of the town for other reasons and I have yet to find a product unavailablke at a reasonable price here in one of the many stores.
Tesco's will live or die based on Market Forces same way as the pub did, end of story. All the complaining in the world won't stop them coming or the planning application being passed, either straight away or on appeal because the planners have to deal with facts and the existing planning legislation, not whining and rehtoric.
I think that if 3000 people signed a petition against Tesco opening it was because they want the property to reopen as a pub. Maybe if Tesco organised their own petition it would enlighten us all to the demand or otherwise.
Regarding planning permission and facts, surely it is fact enough that the blind corner has to be the most undesirable location for an entrance to a carpark and would endanger both pedestrians and drivers alike and I fail to see how they could get around that issue wothout a major resturcture of the road and adjacent property.
@saramac. I fully agree with your comment about there being more than enough choice in the town. Why have people suddenly decided in the past few years that unless a town has all the big names in it it then choice is limited. Lidl's is the only major chian that uses 100% British meat but few people are aware of that. Waitrose have just joined forces with Shell who happen to have been confirmed by Greenpeace to be the most destructive company in the world. So will those loyal waitrose shoppers who are fussy about what they eat and where it comes from still buy their fuel from Waitrose even though the company has no moral responsibility in its exploration behaviour where they have polluted oceans and the Arctic whilst Waitrose claim to be an ocean friendly company who insist that their produce is from sustainable sources while Shell are polluting those very sources. The hypocrisy amongst large corporate concerns is only equalled by their loyaly customers blinded by reality in the hope they save a few pennies.
Nobody cares about petitions, hard cash is what matters.
As for the blind corner into a car park, that already exists and they aren't applying for change of use. Other than increasing the size of the car park all the other planning requests are minor and there is no reason to turn them down, other than maybe not allowing an illuminated sign.
In the time I used to use the Royal Oak I witnessed three collisions on that blind corner which is why the pub eventually stopped using it as a customer car park. If a cash point is also installed people will just park on the double yellows and add to the problem.
If nobody care about petitions then why did Enterprise Inns bacjtarck on opening a Tesco at their pub in Worle due to local pressure and a petition if I remember rightly. It reopened as a pub last week and has been very busy. That shows that market forces are determined by the market as you say and if people use a pub it will flourish as long as Enterprise get overe their habit of ripping off their own tenants.
I'm pretty sure Tesco will open and I hope they will take full responsibility for any accident that occurs due to their decsion to use that carpark for customers. If they had applied to put a crossing to the large car park over the road that would alleviate a large part of the problem. But how many large delivery lorries will be using that entrance, how many employees cars will take up spaces and how many lazy people will just park on the yellows to use the proposed cash machine. You are right, Tesco have already damaged the building and contractors carried out work prior to permission being given but that is how they operate. If some people are happy to attract companies with such disregard to the town then fine but some people feel more community spirited.
That wont happen, It's not for Tesco to propose a crossing to the the large car park that's the councils job. Maybe if they did it properly they could get the money from Tesco to pay for it.
Any accidents will be the responsibility of the drivers involved as always, it would be ludicrous to suggest otherwise.
This is an interesting debate and reading everyone's comments is intriguing. I am confused by the comments from ladypinkof 66 because they seem to be a contradiction of words. One posting says apropos shopping, "I am not talking rubbish when I say I go out of the town". Another comment says, "I am in Portishead all week as I live here". Another posting says, "I am fed up having to go out of town for my shopping. I have to travel to Clevedon or Cribbs to do my shopping". Yet on the petrol subject, ladypinkof66 says on The Post site, "I do use Waitrose when I am in Portishead and dont travel far afield. It is convenient for me. I dont venture into Clevedon very often so Waitrose for me is good".
Surely if this lady travels out of the town for her shopping because it is more economical to do so, she would likewise purchase her petrol out of town also for the same reason. If the lady goes to Clevedon and Cribbs for shopping, why does she not fill up with petrol at the same time to take advantage of better prices?
I am not criticising your wording ladypinkof66, but am rather confused as to where you actually stand on both the petrol and shopping subjects.
To clear it up.
I live in Portishead. I work in Weston when i travel to work I have to drop my son off at nursery. Pick him up at lunchtime take him to childminders in Clevedon and then back to work. So for me my to and from work each day and my lunchtime I have no time in which to stop and get petrol or shopping.
I normally use Waitrose Petrol as it is very near to me and also due to having to fill up quite often. So I can really only go at night when my son is at home with my son (my son is disabled). I could not take him shopping with me or leave him in the car to get petrol.
With regards to shopping I have been to the local shops and they do not have everything I want. Yes I could get half my shopping in Co Op (with offers and also half in Lidl but I like to go to out of town in order to perhaps look at clothes etc at the same time ie Asda. I only go out once a week so in fact could get petrol when i am there however it is much easier for me to just drop off at Waitrose. There is not really much difference in the prices of the petrol. It would mean that i could shop at Tesco Express for alot of my items instead I have been to numerous Tescos and have always found that they offer me more than the local shops can.
What an odd lady pink is. Seems to contradict everything she says. The only thing that makes sense is her comment about liking to look at clothes whilst shopping out of the town. Does she think Tesco Express will choose to stock a clothing range for her in Portishead because as she must well know Tesco Express stores carry limited lines not the full range on offer at larger stores. She also says the Co Op has little parking? Tesco at West Hill would have less. Waitrose has little choice? What on earth does she eat? There is not much difference in price of petrol? Take a look, there is never really much difference in food prices either. And yes, the many Tescos you visit (didn't any of them have fuel stations?) would offer more than smaller shops and will still offer more than a Tesco Express. And please make up your mind, one minute you're off to work everyday out of town, travelling to various Tescos, the next you say you only get out once a week. And if you seriously beleive that Tesco offer more than all the other local shops in Portishead then you are seriously deluded.
Come on saramac, it is Christmas time and everyone has a right to express their opinion. My comment merely asked for clarification of ladypinkof66's views but you have gone a step further and started calling her names which I personally think is uncalled for. Comment sites are for discussion and just because someone does not agree with your point of view, is no reason to lower the tone of the conversation. On Tesco I have no strong views either way. However, while there are those against the application, there is no doubt there are also those in favour. Some residents do have genuine fears about the campaign group leader's political reasons for his involvement which will no doubt be borne out in time as to the rights and wrongs of this. But please lets keep discussion kind, irrespective of whether someone agrees with you or not.
Many thanks thurti365 I do have genuine reasons why I will use Tesco. I am sorry there are alot of people who are against it being built in Portishead. But it will certainly make my life easier. I wont go into all the politics around whether it should or should not be built. I personally wish Sainsburys would get a move on and build their store in Portishead. But then that is probably another debate.
Perhaps when people like ladypink stop filling her comments with fictitious bull then they won't attract insults. There are so many contradictions to her comments that none of it is plausible anymore. her bottom line is she wants a Tesco, bug deal, the rest is absoolute garbage to further a point with little honest validity. as for insukts I do believe she called me a baffoon (whatever that happens to be) and if someoine wnats to go down the name calling route I will response in the same manner.
I agree with mattpdead that Tesco will open whatever, however wrong the loss of a local amenity will be but when morons like lady pink want to tangle themselves in contradictions just because she can't honestly justify any sound reason for this new shop then it makes me wonder why she bothers to comment at all. Probably works for Tesco anyway. It reminds me of all the lies and false info given by the rep from Tesco at the recent meeting, lots of hot air but no substance
How ironic, I was just looking back through this topic and was wondering if the paper, or Tesco, had planted a stooge to stimulate the discussion. It often happens when the site itself starts discussions. There are indeed far too many contradictions in the other writers comments which make me wonder how much is really true, especially as a lot of it is very far fetched.
That being said, I know of nobody who has not managed to shop for all their needs within the town itself and there are more than enough supermarkets and not enough social venues at the top end of the town.
Thanks BS200 I didnt bother to respond to their comments I know how i feel about the new shop and it is more than pleasing me. Thanks for commenting they were rather ganging up on me I was merely stating my opinion that I am happy the shop will come to Portishead.
Look again BS200 at my two (and only two) comments posted on this subject and perhaps you will then "reflect" on your last posting and next time ensure your posting is accurate. I did indeed highlight the inconsistences in the comments from ladypinkof66 for which the evidence is there for all to see, emphasising to her that I was not criticising her but asking for clarification. A rather sensible thing to do in the circumstances.
When sarahmac then made unkind remarks towards ladypinkof66, I posted a comment to sarahmac picking her up on her use of unpleasant words. Ladypinkof66 even responded to me with her thanks. The only disappointing behaviour I have seen on this site are those who wish to target anyone who may not agree with their own personal opinion. I have no tolerance for playground name calling from anyone nor incorrect comments from people who haven't even bothered to read properly what people have written.
I live in the top part of Portishead and have on a few occasions frequented the old Royal Pub on weekends. I can honestly say the place was run down and when visiting there did not seem to be many people in there. ( I know my neighbour did knock off from work most days and spend all evening in there).However am I sad it has closed "No" sorry there are in fact two other pubs The Ship and the Windmill in local proximity to frequent. I dont live within walking distance of a pub nor do I live within walking distance of a local shop. If you feel the need to socialise and go to a local pub both of the above mentioned are not too far away.
I personally do not visit pubs in the local area in order to socialise so for me it is of no concern that it has closed.
With regards to a Tesco Store going in its place. Would I use Tesco "Yes". I don't normally shop at Tesco however if I was short of a few bits etc or needed to get anything unexpected I would use it.
I think jojo that as often happens on here, the moment you 'out' the serial poster, you start to have your comments removed and along comes our favourite mutlti personality poster with a new name.... and then along comes sallys who just happens to have the same perspective as pink & BS and suddenly had the urge to share her thoughts. The problem with stupid people is that they all think everybody else canot see what they do. It usually involves making a few mundane posts on other subjects at the same time to try to throw people, never works.
The Times website today says that coachloads of local residents will be going to protest against the Tesco at the planning meeting at weston. Surely that is contrary to the claims by Tesco and the two or three people on here about how much opposition there is? It appears that there is strong feelings against this store opening and if people who live at the top of the hill feel it will affect their life's and the chance of ever having a local pub back then I think it does concern them more than those from other parts of town.
It baffles me how people on here have complained about increased traffic whenever school expansions are suggested and yet when it comes to shopping they will happily drive to the other side of town for something that I'm fairly certain a shop closer to them sells at a very similar price anyway.
The Oak was my local pub got 16 years from when I first moved to Portishead and was easy to walk to, unlike the Windmill and the Ship. I know at least two people applied to Enterprise for the lease on the pub, and am sad that they were ignored. I do not want Tesco at West Hill - I find there to be sufficient choice and price ranges with the Co-op (reasonable price), Lidl (cheap) and Waitrose (expensive but good quality). For last minute shopping I would use Costcutters, who have supported the local community. If/when Tesco opens at West Hill I will never shop there. If I were to support another large chain shop in Portishead I would prefer a Marks & Spencer for their clothing and shoes.
If people feel so strongly about Tesco coming...When it does arrive, just don't use the shop! Petition with your feet. The council encourage competition and the government/council are making planning easier so they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they turned the whole thing down. I bet Cost cutter didn't complain when they stole the newsagent's trade when they started selling daily papers did they? It's called competition, and everyone loves shopping for a bargain so if Cost cutter want to keep their trade then I suggest they up their game. 30 campaigners turned up yesterday? What about the other 2500 others? if they felt that strongly about it they would of turned up as well regardless of working etc surely?
Some of the objections as I see it are that cars will drive over a pavement which is on a dangerous bend which could cause a danger to other motorists and pedestrians..... is that not exactly the case opposite Costcutters and has been for many years? If you are in a retail environment then unfortunately you have to compete in a retail environment and its not always price that attracts customers, there's also something called service. As previously mentioned there are over 2000 objections, what about the other twenty thousand plus people in Portishead, wonder what would happen if there was a real vote which everyone took part in? Tesco should commission one and then everyone would see what Portishead thought and we could all get on with life…….me? I welcome the new Tesco store, no-one else gives me club points and after all every little helps!
go on you tesco i mean they do need a tesco up there as costcutter is the only shop and there only moaning as there will another shop to compete and when i asked the costcutter shop as they shut early at 8pm what if people need milk , stuff for kids or electric or gas and guess what they said the customers should have got it earlier so much for costcutter looking afte there customers
also at least tesco wont have filthy and flea ridden dogs roaming around the shop how un igenic is that