Why can't people on Phoenix way use their garages?

By fourstripes at 13:16 on 12/02/10

Why can't people on Phoenix way use their garages?

By fourstripes at 13:16 on 12/02/10
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That is a question I often used to ask about Brampton Way and there we have to suffer Buses and the odd lost lorry, where a small mini bus used to roam free, large H.G.V. that are supposed to go down Wyndham Way designed for the purpose years ago. Crazy area to drive in. We once had a Portuguese tractor unit (lorry) park in our driveway next door ! I suppose in Portugal they do that, but here it infringes the laws concerning destruction of pavement services (subsurface crossing thereof) and overhead cable, which B.T. later raised to a safer height after their own service truck annihilated it, Great days full of incident. Almost as bad as cable TV tearing up Clevedon. Holes, potholes, collapsing drains, ramps, shelters, lost bus stops in protest movements, all because one elderly lady complained that boarding the Bristol Bus had to be from the nearest stop, as explained by Woodspring, North Somerset at the time I mentioned the problems incurred by private companies telling us how we should live. N.S. is not bothered about the drains and subsidence they say the street was of a width and strength to take the H.G.V. loadings ????????????? I say it is to do with profiteering and bullying the Mini Bus out of its route, by a National corporate in debt, underwritten by tax payers' lack of wealth.

By MikeHydroSoil at 00:31 on 14/02/10
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Well it seems Mike HydroSoil is a happy chap does'nt it?

By suttssutts at 17:30 on 24/03/10
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The sooner the roads get adopted the better.
The council have no vested interest until then and they appear to not be in a rush.
The police wont do anything unless it contravenes the highways act.
ie obstructive parking on pavements.
The builders are unprepared to sort out the roads until forced to.
Who looses out - well all the residents who have to pass the crazy parking on Phoenix.

There is a solution which has been used for decades in europe.
Off-road parking on areas of grass that is grown through either special grids or paving.
It looks nice when no cars are there and allows clear road access.

Although going back to the original question, the answer is, people have more cars than parking, they dont use their garages and they are lazy.

There is a solution for this aswell. RE-INSTALL THE TRAIN !!! Not a stupid bus thingy.
How many people who have a car could quite easily use the train to Bristol?
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By posset_andy at 14:45 on 12/04/10
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The problem in Lower Burlington Road is very similar and has stopped us from moving into places down there. Some of the apartments are great but there is no way I would want to fight against the constant stream on traffic squeezing past parked cars. A planning problem I would suggest.

By Focus14 Photography Wedding Specialists at 16:48 on 13/04/10
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I agree it is ridiculous the parking, what cant they use their garages? sheer laziness, i think a petition should get started to create a no stop zone or simply Cones put out

By lucindapalmer at 15:09 on 15/03/11
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What your missing is the fact that if the parking were removed from Phoenix way traffic speeds will inevitably increase.

Phoenix Way is a busy road for cars and pedestrians. It is a pedestrian hotspot for parents and their children travelling to and from school as well as the High St.

Currently the parked cars are acting as a natural traffic calming (in conjunction with the speed tables) this has produced a give and take system which seems to work effectively for the most part. If you were to remove all parking from Phoenix Way to allow full two way traffic people will increase their speeds. You only have to stop and see how quickly traffic can move along Quays Ave to see what effect no traffic calming can have on driver habits.

I think removing the parking would be a bad idea, and if it were taken out people would very quickly be complaining about the speed of traffic along this section of road. Afterall I'm sure people can live with the minor inconvenience of having to wait for a gap in traffic to proceed if it means a safer environment for all pedestrians.

By Bod2019 at 07:35 on 18/03/11
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Bod2019 - in the nicest possible way...what planet are you on?

Firstly, there is no need for most of the cars to park in the road as they have suitable parking areas to the rear of the properties. Secondly the majority of people who do choose to park along Phoenix Way park totally illegally. Thirdly, people do race up through Phoenix Way already, just so that they can get to the next 'gap' in the parking before the oncomming car. You seem to think that this system works.

If there are no vehicles parked on Phoenix Way, then cars would drive slower as they are not in a rush for the 'gap'. It would also be alot safer for pedestrians, and we must remember that there is a school on the development. I live on the main Phoenix Way, and can tell you that I often see accidents / people shouting abuse at each other, and speeding motorists. I have also seen near misses around children trying to cross the road on a 'designated crossing' where a car has parked, therefore they cannot see properly to cross, and in turn cars cannot see them.

If everyone does insist on being lazy and parking on the road, then they really do need to consider where they choose to park. Not on or right next to a crossing, junction or bus stop. And just because everyone wants to park their vehicle right outside their house, room must still be left for other vehicles to get through, and this is even more importatnt for emergency vehicles.

By MC2008 at 15:32 on 18/03/11
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MC2008 - Thanks for your response. I think your right with regard parking irresponsibly. Perhaps it would be wise to implement some sort of parking restrictions within the proximity to the crossing points.

But I don't believe it would be wise to restrict parking altogether along this stretch of Phoenix Way for the same reasons I mentioned earlier. Now perhaps you have a point about people "gunning it" to make the next available gap in parked cars, so perhaps the solution would be to have a limited set of restrictions to create enough "safe havens" for vehicles to pull into so that they didn't feel the need to increase speed to beat the oncoming car. The upside to doing this would be maintaining the idea of parked cars as a natural traffic calming, slowing the masses down.

As long as there are no restrictions the residents or visitors of Phoenix Way can park where they wish (yourself included) but don't mis-interpret this, I am by no means condoning irresponsible parking; I believe you have raised good points about poor parking habits, and parking in proximity to crossings. If parking were removed, as you state I don't think it will have your desired result. I think you hold more faith in the road users that you have already seen react unreasonably. When presented with a nice wide straight section of road, with what can only be described as "shallow" speed tables what do you think the instant response will be? As soon as the average driver has a sense of space, and clear visibility all around they tend to increase there speed (often inadvertently). Compare this to a situation where visibility is reduced and a more claustrophobic environment is present, speeds decrease, as a more cautious attitude is taken toward the surroundings. Think of the last time you drove in a central location where cars are parked nose to tail on both sides of the street, leaving only enough space for one running lane (Clifton, or anywhere just off Whiteladies Road if your familiar with them) and how cautiously you probably drove down that street. 30mph seems a lot faster and more dangerous when you're dealing with reduced clear visibility all around and a narrower running lane.

As for "what planet are you on?" I like to believe I am on the planet of reasonable thought. I've taken onboard your concerns about parking near crossing points, and general irresponsible parking, and believe these issues should be addressed with some sort of parking restriction, but I still stand by my original thoughts that it would have a detrimental effect if all parking were to be removed from this section of Phoenix Way.

By Bod2019 at 15:28 on 21/03/11
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Why not make it a one way system - so you can only go along Phoenix Way from the Quay's Avenue end to Newfoundland Way?
Keep the parked cars - it may mean slower traffic but you won't need the passing points.

By Bristol Houses for Sale at 08:29 on 25/03/11
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